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Poster: ducats Date: Jun 1, 2009 6:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: take me to the leader of the band

sorry - I just can't relate to all the posts about The Dead.

the four of them should have never stepped on stage together again

I can't even see where there's a question about it.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jun 2, 2009 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: take me to the leader of the band

You know many people feel the way you do and I can see that. I for one didn't have the energy to go out and see them at this point. But hearing the shows I have to say they put out a great effort night to night. Not saying the tour would rate an "a" or anything like that but they did give a shi* and seemed happy to be there. At the very least the sellout notion should be put to bed. Nothing is further than a sellout than a first set of...

Viola>
Bertha>
Viola>
Caution>
Viola
Black Peter
Cosmic Charlie

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jun 1, 2009 6:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: take me to the leader of the band

well, the people there were a lot of fun, i felt a sweet vibe, it was a heart of gold band, dead but not forgotten.
Miss Jerry? i sure do, enjoyed the four left. I felt loss for jerry and honor for the rest-and all the goodfolks there

hey now

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: Jun 2, 2009 10:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: take me to the leader of the band

give it up. lots of people like what their doing.

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Poster: tank_tuba Date: Jun 2, 2009 8:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: take me to the leader of the band

I know, I know. I can't understand why Bobby, Phil, Billy, and Mickey just didn't say no to all those millions of dollars. Why they couldn't just say no to playing music for thousands of people who love them.
Why did they have to let old wounds heal? Why couldn't they continue to hate each other from things that happened 20 years ago. Why did they have to grow as people and let bygones be bygones?
Bastards.

I think this whole fiasco could have been avoided. At the beginning of the tour talks, if someone would have just said, "we shouldn't do this, it might upset some people who spend to much time on an internet forum."

If only. Sigh.

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: Jun 2, 2009 4:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: take me to the leader of the band

TOTALLY! nice responce.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jun 2, 2009 6:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: take me to the leader of the band

I've expressed several times before my decided lack of enthusiasm for the current Dead. The GD was more than just Jerry, but the music just doesn’t have the same zing without him (from what I’ve heard, for every few minutes of excitement there are long stretches of aimlessness). I’d actually be one to argue that Jerry had actually “left” the Dead several years before he died, but in any event there’s no filling the hole that’s there now. I’d never really been blown away by any of the side projects like P&F or Ratdog, and I thought the whole Obama thing was just obnoxious.

That said, more power to the boys if they want to forge ahead. They’ve put their whole lives into the GD, given me countless hours of bliss, and if the bus engine has given out and they want to get out and push, that’s certainly their right. What do I care? I don’t have to go (and didn’t when they played just down the road a couple of months ago).

PS- I will give the new outfit kudos on one thing: the setlists do show some imagination. Where the hell was “Viola Lee” in the 80s? "Mason’s"? Talk about the mother of all breakouts if they’d brought those back while Jerry was still in the game (on the other hand that’s what I thought about “Here Comes Sunshine” until I heard the tapes...).

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Poster: banditos33 Date: Jun 2, 2009 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: take me to the leader of the band

my god give them a brek. if you dont like what they are doing save your money and get some new curtains for the trailer

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Jun 2, 2009 6:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: take me to the leader of the band

I'm sure it doesn't bother them is some of us "don't get it." They've spent all of their lives hearing that mantra. All they ever really appealed to were folks that were open minded.

When I heard of the tour, I immediately created a list of objections in my mind about seeing or even listening to this band. Then two things happened, first was seeing how utterly close minded people on this forum behaved, which I found not only out of character, but rather pigheaded. (With all apologies to Pig.) As usual, I decided to take the road less traveled as a natural born contrary.

Second, but more importantly, was recognizing that these guys have done this their whole lives, they don't know to do anything else but play music. If Jerry was "Papa" the remaining four had to have become brothers along the way.

In the end, they showed some spirited playing, some great new arrangements, and perhaps most of all, proved to me that they could do it in an honorable way without Jerry.

In fact, if you view this small group of shows as an homage to Garcia rather than a rip off, the whole thing becomes much more user friendly to wrap your skull around.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 1, 2009 7:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: take me to the leader of the band

Well, as one of the cranky old bastards that has expended some energy on negativity with respect to the current DEAD, I feel qualified in a half assed way to respond. I certainly don't like many aspects of the touring (political, pricing, some aspects of the "scene", Bob & Phil singing), but assume you recognize that a lot of these issues were problems for me before Jerry died (singing certainly)...

However, my main point is, many bands, including our boys, lose very important members and go on...I have no real problem with that approach...debating when someone is absolutely the most central and critical member is possible, but fundamentally, if you grant the principle (any band can go on after a loss), I think they have the right to pursue it at some level.

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Poster: elkdog Date: Jun 2, 2009 3:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: take me to the leader of the band

I think about this a lot when I think about The Dead. What did we expect from them? It does seem a bit extreme to ask them to never play together again, or if they do so, to always carry a morose reverence for Jerry- play an instrumental Stella Blue at every show, or in some way re-open the wound Jerry's death created. I say this as someone who doesn't much appreciate the music they've made together since he passed, but I don't know why we'd expect them not to move on. It would be unhealthy to do otherwise.

So, I'm glad they still want to make music together. The ticket prices are offputting, but people pay them, and I like to get paid for what I do. I don't love the music like I love the GD, so I don't listen to much of it. It's kind of nice, though, to know that 45 years in, they still get along and find a creative spark. I'd love to have friendships like that.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 2, 2009 6:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: take me to the leader of the band

Yep; you have to be drawn to that...the friendship aspect.

The story over at Hook was really cool about the gal that approached Bob and Phil for an autograph, and she was wearing the tshirt with Bob flipping off someone, or some such (UU?), and Phil laughs out loud at Bob's expense...really touching (seriously).

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 1, 2009 6:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: take me to the leader of the band

spoken like a person who never played in the band.